ND: Dorgan Dominates Hoeven In US Senate Race

    If the Republicans think they can pick up the US Senate seat in North Dakota with the current Governor John Hoeven, they probably don;t believe this latest poll from Research 2000, paid for by the leftist website Daily Kos.

    US SENATE – NORTH DAKOTA (Research 2000/DK)
    Byron Dorgan (D-inc) 57%
    John Hoeven (R) 35%

    Dorgan has a favorable rating of 675 while Hoeven has a favorable rating of 68%, so it just appears North Dakotans are pretty happy with their current US Senator no matter how much they like Hoeven. This poll was done February 9-11among 600 likely voters.

    Posted by Dave at 3:32 pm
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    116 Responses to “ND: Dorgan Dominates Hoeven In US Senate Race”

    1. Brandon says:


    2. American Thinker Fan says:


    3. Charles says:

      Is it 2012 yet?

    4. AxelrodofEvil says:

      Its going to be easier for the GOP to hold the Dems or make pickups in the House. The Dems will have well over 60, IMO in 2010 Unless the GREAT ONE screws up really bad the Dems could make it rough for the GOP in New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Kentucky, North Carolina, Florida, and Kansas (only if Sebelius runs). The GOP might be able to do something in Connecticut or Nevada. Isn’t their any republican even a RINO that can knock off Reid? Think about it, if Dems get another 6-8 seats and then you add the Maine girls, you are close to 70 Dem seats. Weird.

    5. AxelrodofEvil says:

      Sorry but the Maine girls are Dems through and through. That R next to their names don’t mean Sh*t.

    6. Brandon says:

      Market loved the stimulus:


    7. AxelrodofEvil says:

      Duh. its the stock market. its the ultimate symbol of capitalism and isnt going to like an element of socialism. The market will come back on its own terms. It might be rough with the stimulus bill passing but long term the market will bounce back. With or without the stimulus by late 3rd/early 4th quarter the market will start edging back up. the market issues in a recession and issues it back out by about 4-6 months.

    8. michael corleone says:

      Don’t worry . The environment will be very different in two years.

      Hoeven should run; and if he runs, he will win b/c the dems will be unpopular in 2 years when unemployment explodes.

    9. Brandon says:

      Tom Coburn just gave one of the greatest Senate floor speeches that I have ever heard.

    10. zorkpolitics says:

      At least the House showed Bipartisan opposition (7 Dems voted no) to the stimulus, not what Obama imagined!

    11. Diogenes says:

      I was reading that the Republican were only expecting 7 defections this time and they got 0. Blue-Dogs are going to take a hit next election. I predict INdiana and Virginia will have majority-republican house delegations again.

      The senate is dangerous ground. Reagan in 82 held onto the senate for the Republicans even with an abysmal 35% approval rating at his bottom.

    12. Eph_Rove says:


    13. Eph_Rove says:

      9. video link?

    14. Wes says:

      There weren’t very many open Republican seats for the GOP in 1982, Diogenes. There are 15 Dems going up next year compared to 19 Republicans. Look back to 2006. There were 15 Republicans up, 1 Independent, 16 Dems, and 1 Independent who had been a Dem. In the elections that year, the Dems rose to 22 seats, the Republicans dropped to 9, and the Independents held steady at 2. Just that there are more Republicans up next year does not mean the Dems will automatically gain. Really Obama started off weakly with his lackluster inauguration speech, and from what I’ve seen leaking through over here has not improved. Besides, Dems just had two huge electoral victories over the Republicans in the Senate. It’s unlikely that would be sustained, especially given the fact that Obama and Congress seem to be overreaching. If this downturn continues to worsen under their watch, then 2010 will be a slaughter of the Dems, probably paring back the Dem majority in the Senate sharply and obliterating the majority in the House. This poll showing Dorgan ahead by 22 points I’d discount just because it doesn’t seem practical for that to be the case. Hoeven would have beaten Conrad in 2006 had he run but of course didn’t because he declined the race. Dorgan is no more popular than Conrad, so to have him up this far seems like a pipedream. More than likely it’s a race within 10 points favoring Dorgan at this point. If Hoeven runs and the Dems continue with their missteps, I’d bet you’d see that change dramatically. Of course that presupposes Hoeven runs–something at best unclear at this point.

    15. MDefl says:

      As the days progress and America is turned into Amerika, I am becoming more optimistic in regards to the Senate.

      Even though the math doesn’t favor the GOP, the far left, dramatic overreach by Obama is going to have huge implications. That is assuming that true elections are held in 2 years. At this rate, that may not happen.

      Assuming free elections, the R’s should break even in the Senate and could gain up to 5 seats if the economy has not dramatically by then. I laugh now at Obama’s contention that he “studied” Clinton’s first 2 years and would not make the same mistakes. The 2009 version of Obama makes the Clinton of 93 look like a member of the John Birch Society.

    16. Wes says:

      Saved, created, or established by fiat, Eph Rove?

    17. Brandon says:

      #13. I saw it live. I don’t know if there is a video online.

    18. Eph_Rove says:


    19. Wes says:

      For the first time since the New Deal, Dems seem to have peaked ahead of maximizing their electoral advantage downballot. Their slaughter of the Republicans in the 1958 elections ensured at least a decade of congressional control. This was bolstered by their 1964 showing, which made their majorities so enormous even a huge GOP tide in 1966 did not sharply diminsh their power. In 1974, they crushed the Republicans again, gaining such big majorities Reagan couldn’t pull the GOP into the House leadership, although the Republicans stunned themselves by gaining the Senate. Reagan’s 1984 victory lacked coattails, letting the Dems hold enough power to win back the Senate and decrease the Republican minority in the House. 1994 was an aberrant year, and Bush’s failure seemed to prefigure a return to 1930s and ’60s levels in Congress for the GOP. McCain’s defeat and Obama’s overreaching seem to have prevented history from repeating itself. Time will tell.

    20. Wes says:

      Well, you were foolish, Eph. At least you didn’t vote for President Dorian Gray though.

    21. Polaris says:


      Give Obama his due. He isn’t making the mistakes that Clinton made or even Carter made. He studied the early Clinton administration apparently in an effort to see how much worse he could be.

      He’s suceeding.


    22. Wes says:

      He most definitely is, Polaris. He most definitely is.

    23. Eph_Rove says:


    24. Eph_Rove says:


    25. Eph_Rove says:

      and sadly there were casualties in Iraq today…


    26. Brandon says:

      Bill just passed.

    27. Charles says:

      Beck and Steele are going at it. Beck has shifted to being more a libertarian in the last six+ plus months so this is not a friendly interview.

    28. KnightHawk says:

      Sick watching all this patting on the back Arlen is getting on cspan2. Done deal btw, trio’s votes are cast.

    29. Polaris says:

      Did anyone not expect Obama to get his way in the end? Beuller….Beuller…..?

      However because of the near total lack of GOP support, the blame for this turkey gets put ALL around Obama’s neck.


    30. Charles says:

      the question though, is will it really matter if skippy is who we think he is Peron 2?

    31. Eph_Rove says:

      27. ?????????

      I gues there are 2 interviews then b/c I’m not seeing what you’re seeing.

    32. KnightHawk says:

      Assumes intelligence in the American voter not yet in evidence. 😉

    33. Polaris says:

      #30 If I am right about Obama and he does think he is Peron or Chavez 2.0 we’ll know very quickly.

      After this bruising over this so-called stimulus bill, Obama doesn’t have any time to waste to get his important measures rammed through a friendly congress. Pay epecial attention to the National Civilian Defense Force. It’s coming.


    34. Chekote says:

      Just wait until we start running commercials informing the people in ND about Dorgan voting to ration healthcare, remove work requirements for welfare, and picking up the COBRA tab for wealthy people. I think the polls might just change.

    35. Charles says:

      which hits first, the National Civilian defense force or the Fairness doctorine

    36. Polaris says:

      #36 Civilian National Defense Force. There are too many scary possibilities even for liberals (especailly for true liberals if they are honest) to make it an easy sell even now in Obama’s supposed honymoon. My best guess is if Obama doesn’t get his force now (or after a concoted ‘national emergency’) he never will….and I am certain he knows it was well as I do.

      OTOH, the Fairness Doctrine will fall in his lap with no comment when Obama makes the next FCC appointments this summer.


    37. Brandon says:

      4 Senators still haven’t voted yet: Martinez, Bayh, Gillibrand, and Brown.

    38. KnightHawk says:

      Brown is in OH, but the president has sent a plane for him to get back and vote tonight, just stalling for that.

    39. Tim says:

      Why haven’t those other three Senators voted?

    40. Tim says:

      Never mind. There’s Martinez

    41. jones says:

      Tim What was your Patriot Act question. I didn’t find it.

    42. Robert Earle says:

      The bill is gonna pass, and it’s gonna pass tonight. So, in the spirit of Senatorail comety and “bi-partisanship”, couldn’t somebody – George Voinovich maybe – say “I’m going to vote a Sherrod Brown ‘proxy’ vote, and change my vote to ‘yes'”, so the poor guy didn’t have to rush back from his mother’s funeral/memorial service?

    43. Robert Earle says:

      Make that “comity” and “Senatorial”.

    44. KnightHawk says:

      If he wanted to proxy vote he could have arranged it, though I imagine it was the last thing on his mind. Random thought – What happens if the plane goes down?

    45. Robert Earle says:

      “What happens if the plane goes down?”

      Well, one possibility is that “3/5th of the senators duly sworn” drops to 3/5th of 98, meaning only 59 ‘yes’ votes would be necessary…

    46. KnightHawk says:

      Wouldn’t that have been the case already with the missing senator from MN?

    47. Robert Earle says:

      3/5ths is 0.6. 0.6 times 99 is 59.4, meaning you need 60. But 0.6 times 98 is 58.8, meaning you would only need 59.

    48. Polaris says:

      #48 What’s wrong Earle? Afraid that this turkey of a bill won’t make cloture?

      Don’t worry. The Dems will just change the rules to make sure it does the next time.


    49. Tim says:

      The conversation the other day was about Presidents overreaching their authority.

      All I asked was what everyone thought of the Patriot Act.

    50. Robert Earle says:

      No, Polaris. Just thought some Republican could show some measure of humanity. Guess I was wrong. “Enough said”

      – Robert

    51. jones says:

      Well, it is ripe for abuse, but I don’t think it has been yet. A good example of rushed legislation.

      Do you think Obama will/Should back off the Unitary Executive.


    52. Diogenes says:

      that something so indirect is inhumane on the part of republicans?*

    53. Diogenes says:

      companies that deserve to go under*

    54. Tim says:

      Truthfully, I think he overreached on the Census thing, in order to mollify part of the base. That was a mistake.
      I can see where Gregg would have considered that a slap in the face.

    55. Tim says:

      Oh, and one more thing. I really think he meant it when he said he wanted his Presidency to be transparent. Like with the “I screwed up” statement, for instance.

      I think his problems, so far at least, have been related to his inexperience. For instance, he should have been directly involved with the original House version of this Stimulus. Instead, he let the Dems there write it, and they cut the GOP leadership out of the process. And, theat effectively killed any hope of a bipartisan bill.

      He’ll learn. Or, he’ll be a one-termer.

    56. Tim says:

      I remember when Bush was accused of ignoring the Separation of Powers, and being called a Unitary Executive.
      I never paid any attention to that.
      And, I really don’t with Obama, either.

      Just fodder for the partisans, maybe?

    57. Charles says:

      the flaw as Polaris has pointed out, is that Skippy didn’t learn under our system of government, he learned from the most left-wing of the radicals. Hence he has no respect, understanding or even grasp of what it is all about.

      And most his supporters don’t see him as that, they see him as a fairly liberal democrat instead of the potential marxist radical he truly can be. And by the time they do realize that (if they ever do) the price to remove him will be extremely high and bloody.

    58. Polaris says:

      #58 Obama’s own interviews, autobiography, and actions (and speeches when he was a member of the NDS) say differently. Obama doesn’t understand, appreciate, or feel beholding to the rules both written and unwritten we live by. Obama himself has said so in his NPR interviews although admittedly not quite that baldly.

      Whatever people thought about GWB, he played by the rules. Bush had more than enough military support both in the officer corps and rank-and-file to tell Obama to take a flying leap and make it stick.

      He didn’t because Bush believes in and played by the rules. The same goes (for all my disagreements with them) for both Clintons, Kerry, and even Carter.

      Obama scares the living daylights out of me and I don’t scare easy.


    59. Tim says:

      Well. As I stated, I pay no attention to things like that. To me, stuff like that is just silly.

    60. Brandon says:

      Oh, and this was passed on a Friday to avoid a negative market reaction.

    61. Howard Dean 1/20/13 says:

      Anyone still wondering why the Communist Party USA backed Obama?

      Thought not.

    62. MDefl says:

      Specter is history. He will be lucky to get 45% in the primary. All the lib R’s that allowed him to barely win the primary in 04 are now registered Indies and D’s. What is left is the hard core base. The primary in PA is closed. Specter does not have the charisma to inspire anyone to change their registration just to vote for his ancient butt.

      Buh bye Arlen.

    63. Tim says:

      What are they saying in Pa. about the possibility that he won’t run again, Mike?

    64. Brandon says:

      I can’t believe they forced this guy to fly back on the day of his mother’s funeral.

    65. Eph_Rove says:

      64. MD.

      I’ll bet you $1 he does not seek re-election.

    66. Eph_Rove says:

      We can rid the Senate of Spector but what about the pro-aborts from Maine?

      There is no conservative base in New England at all so we are stuck with these two RINOS.

    67. MDefl says:


      The rumor is that Rendell is going to run and Specter will retire. Basically, that was the message that Matthews got when he stuck his toe in the water. I will be the first to admit that Rendell can’t be beat in Pa. This is all rumor at this stage. My best friend worked for Rendell in the 90’s. All Rendell has said so far is that he is not ready to retire. He is term limited as Gov and his term ends in 10.

      The irony is that Rendell was an ADA for Specter when Specter was DA of Philly. Again, no confirmation at this point.

    68. MDefl says:


      I can’t take that bet because I think I agree with you. I would love to have the satisfaction of voting against Specter but it may not happen.

    69. Polaris says:

      #66 I can. If the Dems failed to get cloture on this stimul-turkey after all the political capital that got poured in it, the congressional dems at least (if not Obama himself) would be dead men walking politically.

      Given the choice between decency and a power grab, the congressional dems will take the power grab every time.

      It’s my considered opinion now that I’ve seen some of this turkey that the Dems are already dead men walking just as soon as the inevitable economic consequences (hyperinflation) of this bill set in.


    70. Charles says:

      by 2010 if we still have free and fair elections, I would bet money Fast Eddie Rendell won’t be a shoe-in. Not after the inevitable economic collapse that will be hung around the neck of his guy Barry.

    71. Tommy_Boy says:

      Is it generally the principle that Senators and Governors with an approval rating over 50% will basically walk to re-election?

      Think about it, Dodd and Corzine are both favored by just 40% of their constituents and yet, they are probably the favorites right now to win re-election.

    72. Brandon says:

      #74. Corzine is not the favorite. Tossup basically. A recent poll had Corzine at 34% approval.

    73. Phil says:

      NJ races always look promising about this time.

      I learned the hard way to just ignore those polls. At crunch time NJ voters would vote for a serial rapist as long as he has a D by his name.

    74. Brandon says:

      Christie is different. I think he has a good shot to win. I’m planning on volunteering on his campaign over the summer.

    75. Phil says:

      I’d be thrilled to see the GOP win one up there. God knows the liberal Democrats have made a huge mess of that state…and voters keep putting those morons back in office cycle after cycle.

      I just don’t understand it.

    76. Brandon says:

      If Corzine wins this year, I give up. I seriously just give up.

    77. Charles says:

      #78 the theory is that older generation just can’t bring themselves to vote for the other party. They come up with all sorts of reasons for that. In Florida, they kept voting for Graham for that exact reason.

    78. Chekote says:

      What’s Christie’s stance on social issues?

    79. Brandon says:

      #81. Pro-life, but he doesn’t put it out there. Most people think he is a moderate.

    80. Chekote says:


      He is going to lose.

    81. Brandon says:

      “In an interview, Christie today outlined his own positions on social issues, saying he evolved from pro-choice to pro-life with the birth of his children but would not use the governor’s office to “force that down people’s throats.” However, he said he favors restrictions on abortion rights such as banning partial-birth abortions and requiring parental notification and a 24-hour waiting period.

      He said he favors the state’s current law allowing same-sex couples to form civil unions but would veto a bill legalizing same-sex marriage if it reached his desk. Corzine has said he would sign such a bill.”

    82. Brandon says:

      #83. No way.

    83. Chekote says:


      Again, he is going to lose. A pro-lifer is not going to win in NJ unless in extraordinary circumstances.

    84. Brandon says:

      #86. And an incumbent with a 34% approval isn’t extraordinary circumstances?

    85. Diogenes says:

      It’s one of the great “doublethinking” fabrications of the media that the republican voter is somehow ignorant and votes only on abortion, when the liberal basketcases of New Jersey, Michigan, and California are dominated by socially liberal voters that vote heavily on non-pocketbook issues, despite against their own self-interest.

    86. Brandon says:

      Brown showed up and now this thing is officially passed. Now all we need is for the Messiah to sign off on our future.

    87. Chekote says:


      What’s Christie’s background? Experience?

    88. Chekote says:


      Those three SOBs couldn’t even delay the vote so that Obama wouldn’t make his 2/16 deadline. What idiots?

    89. Brandon says:

      #90. He was the US Attorney of New Jersey from 2001-2008. He won convictions against 125 public officials in NJ including both Dems and Reps, and that’s without losing a single case.

    90. Phil says:

      Just saw where Obama gave Kathleen Parker “conservative columnist” a ride back to Chicago on Air Force One. Payback I suppose for her trashing Palin throughout the campaign. Another useful conservative idiot.

      I give up.

    91. Diogenes says:

      @92 From what I have read, Rob Ehmmanuel was heavily involved and through out a lot of spending provisions to make it acceptable to the 3 republicans. That is why the senate bill is actually leaner than the house bill this time.

      A surprise to be sure, but it leaves the moderate republicans with little room to explain why they obstructed a bill that at least met them halfway.

      Is it a better bill than the house bill? Yes, because it spends less.

      Will it help the economy? Probably not even with the financial sector fixed. Definitely not with the financial sector still a mess.

      Most of the spending is in 2010. The democrats are buying the next election cycle. We’ll have to see if it works.

    92. Chekote says:


      Hmmmm…. any business/economic experience?

    93. Brandon says:

      #95. Not that I know of, just a law background.

    94. Phil says:

      I meant to say payoff in #93

    95. Chekote says:


      I still think he will lose. People are worried about economic issues. Business/economic background would have been better. Pro-life is a big strike against him.

    96. Brandon says:

      #98. And Corzine’s association with Goldman Sachs will be such a great asset…

    97. Eph_Rove says:


      I agree 100% with you. NO pro-lifer can win a Senate or Goveror seat “above the Mason-Dixon line” these days.

      The seculars in NJ would rather pay 30% state income tax then have limits on abortion.

    98. Brandon says:

      Just wait until November 4th. You’ll see…

    99. Eph_Rove says:


      To follow up on my last post.

      The most interesting thing about some of the blue/secular states is that some of them have well organized and well funded right to life orgs. The three highest donors come from Michigan, PA, and yes… NJ.

      Go figure!!!

      Your friend,

    100. Eph_Rove says:

      …and what’s the difference between Chrisite’s position on abortion as compared to Rudy’s position?

      They sound the exact same to me.

    101. Chekote says:


      Rudy never referred to himself as pro-life. He was personally pro-life but pro-choice as a matter of policy. In NJ, the term pro-life conjures up religious nut. Sorry but there it is.

    102. Eph_Rove says:

      “In NJ, the term pro-life conjures up religious nut”

      Why apologize? It’s true!!

      That’s why I live 2000 miles away!!

    103. Chekote says:

      Where do you live Eph?

    104. Eph_Rove says:

      Phoenix my dear.

    105. Chekote says:

      Beautiful city. But too darn hot!!! I felt like my skin was cooking under the sun.

    106. Eph_Rove says:

      That’s why the Good Lord invented AC!!

      Good night all!!

    107. Brandon says:

      I visited Phoenix in January. It was sorta nice.

    108. Chekote says:


    109. Brandon says:

      Okay, now that those two are gone…

      CHRISTIE ’09!!!!!

    110. Diogenes says:

      @96 I was an actuary for a couple of years before law school. Majored in Econ and had to take a bunch of econ/investment type qualifications to progress.

      @108 Phoenix is the number 1 place for depressed housing prices in the US. How’s the economy there? And why the hell is Arizona becoming a more blue state?

    111. Tommy_Boy says:

      I am going with Lonegan (not that I would have any impact given that I’m not a New Jersey resident); he was within six of Corzine and I’ll go with the more conservative candidate usually if he actually has a shot of defeating a dem.

    112. michael corleone says:

      I agree. I would go with Lonegan. These RINOs do the Republicans no good by acting like dems, but then letting the dems blame them for failed ideas.

      If we are going get blamed, I would rather go down swinging on principle. Because I know our ideas are superior.

    113. jean says:

      113. It is not. A GOP governor and Legislature does not make a Blue state.