MN: Coleman Crushing Franken By Double Digits
The absurdity of the polling results in this election season continues. On the heels of yesterday’s poll from Scott Rasmussen, where Scott claims Democrat Al Franken is beating Republican Norm Coleman, comes a new poll from Survey USA that gives a completely contradictory picture of the US Senate race in Minnesota.
US SENATE – MINNESOTA (Survey USA)
Norm Coleman (R-inc) 52%
Al Franken (D) 39%Norm Coleman (R-inc) 43%
Al Farnken (D) 27%
Jesse Ventura (I) 26%Norm Coleman (R-inc) 53%
Mike Ciresi (D) 35%Norm Coleman (R-inc) 43%
Jesse Ventura (I) 28%
Mike Ciresi (D) 23%
So Scott Rasmussen says Franken leads by 2% and Survey USA says Coleman leads by 13%. How can both of these polls possibly be true? Do these pollsters even bother to do a sanity check before they dump this crap out?
This poll was done July 11-13 among 641 registered voters.
1st
Rasmussen National Poll
Obama 47
McCain 45
The Survey USA poll doesn’t contain enough Democrats. Coleman isn’t up this much. However, Coleman holds all but 3% of Republicans while Franken loses 18% of Dems. Also, Coleman is up among indies.
I’d say Coleman is up 8 or 9. Certainly shows what rubbish the Rasmussen poll was.
Frankly, I’m still trying to digest the California and New York polls showing Obama up 30. Scott has lost his mind.
Quinnipiac has Obama up 9 nationally, with interesting numbers regarding red, purple, and blue states.
Pew also shows a big enthusiasm gap. Say what you want, but don’t buy the story that Obama is Dukakis or Kerry. He is not; and this country is fed up with the direction we are going. It is the same frustration that brought in Clinton in 1992.
it dont matter if mccain wins by the same margins as bush in the states, as long as he wins, i could care less of the margin
as I said below in the old thread, Rasmussen is now a raving lunatic, as illustrated by the new Sienna college poll from NY:
McCain 37
Obama 50
That sounds about right, and yet Rasmussen has it 60 to 29 for Obama.
Bearnut if you are right, and you may be too young to remember this, Carter would have and should have crushed Ford. Carter btw was a lousy President, but he ran an effective campaign, and was considered a moderate when he ran. I agree with the country being fed up, but not near as fed up as they were with republicans after Nixon resigned.
“It is the same frustration that brought in Clinton in 1992.”
Comment by bearnut
It was Ross Perot who brought in Clinton in 1992.
RAS has a serious credibility problem, at least re: state polling.
Stop playing games and have the courage to release your internals.
This poll is also RV’s and done on the weekend.
Will we get a MN Pres poll too?
If everybody with a red persuasion is upset with Rasmussen’s prognostications there is a simple cure. Don’t look at the Rasmussen website, don’t pass on their data, and don’t delve into their methodology.
It seems that for many people it is just contributing to anxiety attacks and the overall average blood pressure of the United States.
I think many get a perverse pleasure in studying the Rasmussen polls because they are the only one that seems to publish frequently. Bide your time and their will be more than enough in a few weeks, especially come convention time.
Usually SUSA comes out with the prez poll a few days after the Senate poll
Dem corruption continues:
Report: Rep. Rangel Uses Office to Solicit Donations to Academic Center in His Name
Tuesday, July 15, 2008
WASHINGTON — The powerful House Democrat Rep. Charles Rangel is facing new ethical questions in a report that says he used his congressional office to solicit $30 million in donations to an academic center bearing his name.
Is anyone disturbed by this?
MSM??
Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq
BY JAMES GORDON MEEK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Monday, July 14th 2008, 8:10 PM
WASHINGTON – Barack Obama’s campaign scrubbed his presidential Web site over the weekend to remove criticism of the U.S. troop “surge” in Iraq, the Daily News has learned.
The presumed Democratic nominee replaced his Iraq issue Web page, which had described the surge as a “problem” that had barely reduced violence.
“The surge is not working,” Obama’s old plan stated, citing a lack of Iraqi political cooperation but crediting Sunni sheiks – not U.S. military muscle – for quelling violence in Anbar Province.
The News reported Sunday that insurgent attacks have fallen to the fewest since March 2004.
What did Rev. Wright say? Thats just what a politician does. Something quite close to that. How is this a new kind of politician? Looks like the same old kind of saying anything to anyone to try to get elected type of politician to me.
South Carolina PPP poll 543lv 7-9-11
McCain 45
Obama 39
Barr 5
#3, Frustration did not bring in Clinton in 1992, Ross Perot did.
#7, I agree with you…i should have read all the posts before posting mine.
Republicans are up to their ___ in aligators and all the spin in the world won’t change it. They are on the South end of a North bound duck. It’s gonna be ugly in November. Real ugly. All indicators say so. Best to plan for the after math and rebuild with what’s left. Get used to the woodshed.
Intersting to see what the new national polls say tonight they will come out from CBS-New York TImes and ABC-washington post
i can say i bet obama leads by 8 in those ones
ABC WaPO poll says Weasel Clark and company not having much impact:
The poll results suggest that months of Democratic attacks on McCain’s Iraq position have not dented voters’ basic trust in his ability to lead the country’s armed forces: Seventy-two percent said McCain would make a good commander in chief.
Intersting to see what the new national polls say tonight they will come out from CBS-New York TImes and ABC-washington post
i can say i bet obama leads by 8 in those ones
Comment by steven — 7/15/2008
I wouldn’t trust a CBS/NYT poll for anything.
They are worthless.
#7 and #16———–Not according to the exit polls.
Besides, an incumbent President got an anemic 38%. What he got, was his ass fired.
I think the abc-wash poll will be with in 5 points
while the times/cbs poll will be higher
reading the questions and answers from the post poll seem like it favors McCain
As a Mccain supporter is it bothing felow McCain supporters that we have not led in a poll in a month, its starting to get me concerned and worried
I am not aware of a single potential GOP VP that has gone public saying they are not interested.
Has anyone done this?
The Times commentary drew a furious response from the McCain campaign, with Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) calling it “an unbelievably brazen effort by a politician to rewrite history.” He accused Obama of building “a political strategy around losing” the war.
Republicans were not alone in that response. Michael E. O’Hanlon, a Democratic defense analyst at the Brookings Institution who has been an outspoken supporter of the war in Iraq, said he could not believe that Obama would put such a definitive timeline into print before a trip to Iraq, where he is to consult with Iraqi leaders and U.S. commanders.
WAPO
Simply not ready.
This SUS poll really is trash.
First of all, Mike Ciresi dropped out in EARLY MARCH.
Things are much closer than 13%. Coleman is probably up 2-3.
#24, if you believe other posters that being near the margin of error prior to the conventions is not bad, don’t worry.
Besides, I have faith that Obama will have a “Dukakis photo op” during his trip to Iraq. There will be at least several photos published that will show how inadequate he would be as a Commander-in-Chief. Whether by an unguarded facial expression or walking around in a flak jacket, Obama’s disdain for the military will surface and be visibly evident.
#27: I agree, this SUSA poll is trash. Coleman is probably up by 30 points.
A hypothetical poll by Rasmussen
Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters
July 13, 2008
Suppose you had a choice this year to vote for Republican George W. Bush or Democrat Barack Obama. For whom would you vote?
Obama
54%
Bush
34%
Some Other Candidate
10%
Not Sure
2%
In reality i think bush beats obama, holds all states in 2004 accept iowa and nm
RAS hsa sold out.
There is no point of a hypothetical poll against someone who can’t run.
Did KOS/DNC fund it?
It’s beyond serious.
He has lost credibility.
talk about a dumb poll.
Scott Rasmussen has lost it.
Hypothetical poll:
Rasmussen
Jesus Christ 1%
Barack Obama 99%
Sample 1000 adult angels
32 – Sold out? Maybe. But Ras has a very long history of asking some very strange questions. Including a lot of very strange, poorly-worded, quite pointless questions. (the Bush poll fits that last category)
34 – it’s that temper-tantrum in the temple that would get JC in trouble.
Blasphemous humor.
If Bush wants McCain to win, he should avoid statements like this one:
“I’m 62, I’m having trouble remembering things.”
Hillary runs 6 pts ahead of Obama. Thank you Democrats for sending us lord Obama.
Senator Obama disagreed. He opposed the surge, predicted it would increase sectarian violence, and called for our troops to retreat as quickly as possible.
McCain
Going Through Withdrawal
It speaks volumes about Obama that his plan comes before going to Iraq.
By Pete Hegseth
NRO
Why bother going to Iraq now?
WA GOV tied up:
General Election Matchup
Gregoire……..45 (-2 from last, 7/07)
Rossi………….45 (+2)
RE: PPP SC poll
Funny, they must have “forgotten” to put Nader and the Greens in their question.
Not Barr though!
Ooops, maybe next time!
#24, Steven…not need to be concern…yet. Traditionally, the dems almost always lead in early polls. If I am not mistaking, Mondale lead Reagan in July 1984, Dukasis lead big over Bush in 1988 and Kerry lead over Bush in 2004.
George W. Bush decided to launch the Iraq war based on surveilance photos from miles above the earth and the word of one man who had bounced around between different allegiances his entire life.
Are you honestly going to criticize Obama for coming up with a (flexible) preliminary plan for Iraq withdrawal based on first hand reports from the top U.S. military personel and from hundreds of journalists, who are all actually on the ground in Iraq, right in the very heart of the conflict??
Ruh roh..
Shift on war hits Obama’s liberal base
‘Flip-flopping’ message convincing, polls show
Joseph Curl (Contact)
Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Associated Press
Sen. John McCain on Monday accused his Democratic presidential rival of flip-flopping on the war in Iraq, as a pair of new polls showed the Republican’s strategy of painting Sen. Barack Obama as politically expedient is beginning to take hold with voters.
…..
Yes, *beginning* to take hold.
Just beginning. He is a SERIAL flopper.
Are you honestly going to criticize Obama for coming up with a (flexible) preliminary plan for Iraq withdrawal based on first hand reports from the top U.S. military personel and from hundreds of journalists, who are all actually on the ground in Iraq, right in the very heart of the conflict??
Comment by Cory — 7/15/2008
Two points:
1. You don’t set policy based on reports from journalists.
2. Maybe you missed the info below
Obama’s Iraq Withdrawal Plan May Prove Difficult
U.S. Commanders in Iraq Warn of Security Dangers, See Logistical Nightmare
By MARTHA RADDATZ
July 11, 2008
ABC NEWS
A Newsweek poll found similar dissatisfaction among voters over Mr. Obama’s shifts in policy positions. In the survey, 53 percent of voters said he recalibrated his stances on key issues such as the war and President Bush’s new electronic surveillance law in order to gain political advantage.
WATIMES
Already a majority?
That number will only grow.
Cory, instead of opining about US and Iraq, why don’t you concentrate on your country’s problems in Afghanistan, and how to resolve Canadian involvement? When you resolve that issue, come talk to us about Iraq.
Military commanders have agendas as well, Howard. Sometimes it’s as simple as pleasing the person up the chain of command.
Reading journalists’ first-hand accounts of the situation is simply another way to cross-check information. The more information you get, the better decisions you make.
Bush’s policy is to listen to one person and trust them completely.
One of the many ways Obama will be superior to Bush is a willingness to consider contradictory information and opinions.
“Bush’s policy is to listen to one person and trust them completely”
LIE
“Military commanders have agendas as well, Howard.”
Thanks for the conspiracis. Unless you have current, specific proof?
“Reading journalists’ first-hand accounts of the situation is simply another way to cross-check information.”
Uhh, no. Journos are liars, frauds and biased. They are not experts in military affairs either. Their selective, agenda based reporting is irrelevant.
One of the many ways Obama will be superior to Bush is a willingness to consider contradictory information and opinions.
Comment by Cory — 7/15/2008
I appreciate that more than you know.
That explains why he contradicts himself and lies about previously held opinions.
Problem is, we have youtube and the internet.
Why does he SCRUB his website?
Bush listened to ONE person and trusted him completely?
Cory, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Your messiah is a tool and shows it more with every daily flip flop – a political opportunist unseen in American political history – and we’re not even out of July yet.
You want me to prove human nature to you, Howard? Everyone has some sort of agenda, large or small.
You can choose people to trust, but you’re better off trusting yourself to gather all the information you can and filter out what rings false.
You think independent journalists’ first-hand accounts are all fraudulent biased lies, and then you accuse me of spreading conspiracies?
When Bush had to decide whether to go to war in Iraq he trusted what Cheney presented to him.
When he had to prosecute the war he gave the job to Rumsfeld and refused to see his incompetence for three years, despite mounting criticism from all corners.
When he had to respond to Hurricane Katrina, he put Brownie on it and just assumed he was doing a heckuva job.
Bush seems to have the attitude that once he’s made a decision, by association that decision must be the correct one.
Second thoughts or incongruent information are his enemies, not his useful friends.
Does anyone find it sad that Obama only beats Bush 54% to 34% and Bush is not even campaigning. That’s why Bush was successful, he was a good campaigner. By November, Obama may not even be able to beat 8 years of George W. Bush. Obama’s campaign gets more and more pathetic by the day.
Dave any chance of an ignor button for posters going on and on about something they know nothing about from personal experience, nothing about from their training and dont even have the excuse that they slept in a Holiday Inn last night?
What’s also bogus about the Obama vs. Bush matchup poll, is everyone responding knows its illegal and unconstitutional for Bush to run for a third term, so of course they won’t respond in favor of Bush because that would be breaking the law. Its a dumb question. Why not Obama vs Eisenhower? Obama vs Teddy Roosevelt?
George Bush is the king of know nothing. Conservatives have controled the government and set policy for a decade. Everything is going to seed, and now they act like they have nothing to do with it. November will be a slaughter.
You think independent journalists’ first-hand accounts are all fraudulent biased lies, and then you accuse me of spreading conspiracies?
CORY
I have enough examples, current relevant examples, to justify a high level of skepticism and distrust.
Fraudulant stories, fake photos, interviewing non-existent people, biased language by the boat load.
Again, you can’t offer any current examples.
Besides, you don’t make policy based on reports from journalists.
When Bush had to decide whether to go to war in Iraq he trusted what Cheney presented to him.
Cory
Um, ok. Source?
November will be a slaughter.
Comment by Harry — 7/15/2008
I agree.
Bush. Worst president ever!
McCain 39%
Lieberman slams Obama:
“Sen. Obama said this morning that he wants a foreign policy that is tough, smart and principled,†said Lieberman. “This afternoon I want to ask my colleague who I respect and like a couple of direct questions: Was it tough when Sen. Obama voted to order U.S. troops to retreat from Iraq on a fixed timeline regardless of the recommendations of our military commanders or conditions on the ground? Was it smart when Sen. Obama opposed the surge and predicted that it would fail to improve our security? … Was it tough and principled when Sen. Obama said he would be open to changing his plan on Iraq after going there and talking to General Petraeus, which I think was the right position, only to change that position hours later after being heatedly criticized by organizations like MoveOn.org? I say respectfully the answer to all those questions is, no.â€
McCain 82%
Obama 15%
Harry. Unempolyed Alaskan environmentalist who gladly applies for and accepts annual Oil Royalty checks while complaining about the damage that big oil does to polar bears. Democrat, hypocrite.
Abc/wash post poll
obama 50
Mccain 42
abc wash post poll
likely voters
Obama 49
McCain 46
The only part you got right is about Oil Royalty checks, and they will be sweet this year. Maui here we come.
abc wash post poll
likely voters
Obama 49
McCain 46
Comment by steven — 7/15/2008
Within the MOE.
Party breakdown?
33D/32R among likely voters
37D/24R among all, 37D/27R among registered
Mocking is too easy:
Surge meets purge
The McCain camaign is poking fun at Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) for a report in today’s New York Daily News that he had cleansed BarackObama.com of past criticism of the surge strategy in Iraq.
“BARACK OBAMA “REFINING” IRAQ POSITION ON OWN WEBSITE,” blares the McCain release, which helpfully links to the former versions of the site.
Among party breakdowns
37 democrats 24 republican registerd
likely voter
33 democrats 32 republican
no breakdown of indies
68. Yes, the Republican Party is breaking down.
From the ABC/WAPO poll:
“in this four-night poll, Obama held a much larger lead Sunday compared with Thursday through Saturday results.” Weekend effect.
http://www.slate.com/id/2129686/
Please don’t tell me this is the first article you’ve seen on the VP’s control of information prior to the war, Howard???
How desperate to salvage something here do you have to be to ask me for a source on that?!
Notice the RV margin which was getting all the play was +8 while with a LV screen its +3. Besides being in the MOE, the swing is very strong to McCain when you apply a LV screen.
So take Gallup’s RV and use this as a proxy for discussion sake. OOPS, McCain jumps into the lead.
I will let RDelbov explain the Bradley effect to you late comers!
McCain has the appeal of a stale fart in a crowded elevator.
“narrows to a close 49-46 percent match among likely voters.” including the Sunday blip.
Not surprising, ABC chose this headline:
Obama Leads McCain by Eight But Doubts
Loom, Raising Stakes
Obama Holds Advantage, But McCain Favored to Handle Global Politics
ANALYSIS by GARY LANGER
July 15, 2008
2 comments
Why choose the +8 headline instead of the likely voter +3?
Oh…right.
“Intention to vote also has declined, especially among young adults — Obama’s best age group — as well as among Democrats overall and former Hillary Clinton supporters in particular.”
“In March, 66 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds said they’d “definitely vote” in November; now it’s 46 percent. (Turnout among young voters is not reliable.) Certain resolve to vote has gone from 82 percent to 66 percent among Democrats and from 77 percent to 58 percent among former Clinton supporters. And a third of onetime Clinton backers still shy from Obama, saying they’d vote for McCain or not at all.”
GULP:
Americans by a wide margin, 63-26 percent, pick McCain as more knowledgeable on world affairs, rate him much more highly in terms of readiness for the world stage and military leadership alike, and put him ahead of Obama by 50-41 percent in trust to handle “an unexpected major crisis.”
Ruh…Roh….
MCGOVERN:
Intention to vote also has declined, especially among young adults — Obama’s best age group — as well as among Democrats overall and former Hillary Clinton supporters in particular.
DEVASTATING:
In March, 66 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds said they’d “definitely vote” in November; now it’s 46 percent. (Turnout among young voters is not reliable.) Certain resolve to vote has gone from 82 percent to 66 percent among Democrats and from 77 percent to 58 percent among former Clinton supporters. And a third of onetime Clinton backers still shy from Obama, saying they’d vote for McCain or not at all.
Why oh why all the weekend polling? Don’t they know that it introduces bias?!
Oh, wait…they probably do, and I just answered my own question.
And the MONEY quote:
As noted, Republicans are among those more likely to vote; young adults, less so.
…..
They HATE LV polls!
THe only poll out is the cbs poll/nytimes
With everything said, McCain losing in every national poll, and trailing badly in slam dunk Republican states.
By November, the 18-29 year old’s will be polling in single digits.
Dems will be down to 40%, and Hillary supporters down to 30% likely to vote.
This ABC/WAPO poll is EXCELLENT news for McCain, just like their last one.
The internaltidbits are BAD news for Obama.
PUMA lives!
If you take account of the weekend effect, the Bradley effect and the skew away from the younger set, McCain is probably leading by 5 points.
McCain is probably leading by 5 points.
Comment by s — 7/15/2008
I don’t know the exact number but he would be ahead.
Again, they KNOW weekend polling works against the R’s, yet they continue to do it.
Why?
They also run with the RV headline instead of the LV.
Why?
Setting the table for disappointment.
Tell me again about VA and GA.
89. Oh yes, and don’t forget wind speed, the curviture of the earth, and the relative humidity.
Harry, keep blowing wind up your a**.
When the campaign actually starts, and the TV/radio ads on PBA, gay marriage and gun rights start flowing, come talk to us.
By September, Obama will join the NRA and and National Right to Life, and will be cruising in San Francisco to personally beat up gays.
That won’t work. All the white trailor trash can’t afford the electricity it takes to run a TV. It cuts into their gas and domestic slop beer budget.
63 – who is the source???
LOL
By October, even the rabid lefties will be saying, “This is not the Obama I have known for 8 months.”
BREAKING POLL…
PRO-ABORTS:
OBAMA 94
MCCAIN 3
666 EVIL PEOPLE
97. Totally cool.
97. Come down off the cross, we need the wood!
News Flash! McCain found wandering in his underware with glazed eyes miles from his home.
Tonight is Primary night in Ga. Twp races of note here are the Dem race for the U.S. Senate. The winner of that gets the honor of losing (probably by double digits) to Saxby Chambliss.
Another big one here is in the 10th Congressional Rep. race, where Congressman Paul Broun will be attempting to hold off establishment candidate, Barry Fleming.
I’ll be gone to monitor the local stuff all night. But, you folks should gang up on Dave, and get him to provide links on these races.
I forgot to mention that the 10th race is the BIG Republican race in this state, tonight.
Tim I thought the Senate brawl was a 4 man affair with a likely runoff, has something changed dramatically in the last couple weeks.
But you are correct, whoever the place holder is, he is going to get whacked by Saxby.
99 – No thanks, I’m Jewish
Gary, you are correct that there will be a runoff. There are five candidates. The betting money says that Dekalb County CEO (County Manager) Vernon Jones, the lone A-A, makes it in. And, the other slot is a tossup.
But, ALL OF US will be watching what happens in CD 10. (Charlie Norwood’s old District)
The youth vote answers the likely voter question with a response that falls 20% in one month? Obama has got to be doing several involuntary butt clinches right now.
What is Jesse J has a similar effect on black turnout?
Well there is still the Indian tribes and Upper East side denizens!
I am not aware of a single potential GOP VP that has gone public saying they are not interested.”
jeb bush, condi rice, colin powell
“Why bother going to Iraq now?”
he was afraid to go before
jeb bush, condi rice, colin powell
Comment by lisab — 7/15/2008
Serious contenders.
i.e. Crist, Huckabee, Palin, Fiorina, Palin, Romney, Porter, Pawlenty, Sanford.
Not one.
In fact, several are practically begging for it.
“Reading journalists’ first-hand accounts of the situation is simply another way to cross-check information. The more information you get, the better decisions you make.”
the journalists were in the green zone for the last three years
SUSA NC
McCain 50%
Obama 45%
“You think independent journalists”
oxymoron … journalists write for the person who pays their bills like the ny times
“Dave any chance of an ignor button for posters going on and on about something they know nothing about from personal experience, nothing about from their training and dont even have the excuse that they slept in a Holiday Inn last night?’
Gary, it isn’t nice to try to get tthlss tm banned
SUSA NC Senate and Gov
Dole 54%
Hagan 42%
Perdue 47%
McCrory 46%
Palin has no interest in leaving the greatest state in the union for the squalor of DC.
NC SUSA
D’s 45%
R’s 37%
North Carolina will be close, but McCain wins in the end,
Obama gets 74% of D’s.
Give it up!
Keep spending there!
“Even the basics of getting the story are remarkably difficult. Outside of the heavily-fortified Green Zone, most U.S. journalists must rely on local staff to do the necessary face-to-face reporting. Yet nearly nine out of ten journalists say their local staff cannot carry any equipment—not even a notebook—that might identify them as working for the western media for fear of being killed. Some local staffers do not even tell their own families. ”
- November 28, 2007
http://journalism.org/node/8621
Did you guys all get together and decide to make things this easy for me today?
Sounds like a good poll to me. Black vote is at 19%, and Obama gets 93% of it. Safe to say McCain has a modest lead here right now.
117. If NC is close McCain loses badly nationally.
ummm cory you just confirmed the journalists have not been going out of the green zone themselves.
how can you accurately report sitting in the ramada? you can’t
#120 – You might be overestimating your importance a little.
Liebermann is always at McCains side. McCain needs him to remind him what to say and to keep him from falling over.
93% of black vote is probably correct
Rasmussen Congressional Generic Ballot
Dems 46%
Reps 36%
Last week it was +13 for the Dems.
Could it be the drilling issue?
North Carolina will be close, but McCain wins in the end,
Comment by steven — 7/15/2008
Won’t be close.
Kerry got 43.60%
This poll has Obama at 45%.
No movement at all.
Is the party breakdown accurate?
Last week it was +13 for the Dems.
Could it be the drilling issue?
Comment by Brandon — 7/15/2008
Shhhhhhh…
How about those red Sox??
hey, those red sox are causing me stress …
it is not right that the cubs the white sox and the red sox should be leading
nytimes cbs poll
obama 45
mccain 39
cbs is obama +6?
taht does not seem good for obama …
have they gotten less biased since rather left?
you may recall cbs refused to call the race in 2004 until kerry conceded
ABC/WAPO
Adults
Obama 51%
McCain 39%
RV’s
Obama 50%
McCain 42%
LV’s
Obama 49%
McCain 46%
Dont worry the Cubs like Democrats, have a long history of being able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!
i hope so … my hubby is a cubs fan and i am from massachusetts … and even though i know nothing about baseball …
i will get in trouble if the red sox beat the cubs
22: #7 and #16———–Not according to the exit polls.
Besides, an incumbent President got an anemic 38%. What he got, was his ass fired.
Comment by Tim — 7/15/2008 @ 2:02 pm
We keep trying to teach you, these exit polls you quote are crap. Remember the Kerry campaign started celebrating when their exit polls showed them winning the last election by around 10% in Ohio.
Ross Perot was the primary reason Bush ‘41 lost in 1992. One other problem was Ronald Reagan was not able to campaign the way he did in 1988 due to his failing health. Stop trying to quote MSM revisionist history.
they cannot admit perot hurt bush.
it would mean that they have not been able to win an election based on issues since 1960
1976 was watergate
1964 was reaction to kennedy’s death
they have to say clinton would have won without perot or they are admitting they have not had a viable candidate based on issues for forty years
Supporting your point LisaB, I recall how excited all the libs were here when Bob Barr was announced. We told them no one knew who he was and libertarians may get 400,000 votes total but they were jazzed.
Deep down, whether they admit it or not, they know that Perot was the ticket. That is why hope sprang so eternal about a hack who could not get reelected in his own Republican district in Georgia for gosh sakes.
#137————–You actually believe that B.S.? Give me a $#@% break! That is absolutely unbelievable.
Of course, you just can’t say that your guy got beat. It just had to be someone else’s fault.
There ain’t no revisionist MSM history, Ray. That’s Republican nonsense.
It wasn’t his own district, Gary. Re-districting threw him and Linder together. 60% of the new district was in Linder’s old District.
OK about 1/2 of the district was the one that elected him previously. And he got beat. He could have run in another district as well as he had the choice.
But if you really believe that Perot voters match the profile of Democrats and support that statement with known to be unreliable exit polls, we will just have to disagree.
Perot positions and rhetoric was right of center. Lefties were voting for him in droves, who knew!
according to the nytimes
perot got:
30% liberal republicans
21% moderate republicans
13% conservative republicans
11% liberal dems
15% moderate dems
16% conservative dems
independents split evenly
which shows perot hurt bush more than clinton
not to mention all the money he spent bashing bush.
but it is fun to see tthless tm try to protect that bubba myth …
face it … he is one of only two presidents you managed to get elected in the last 40 years, and he only got elected due to a third part candidate
AND he was a disgrace, one of only two presidents to be impeached
oh well … maybe you will finally win one with obama …
and if you are lucky …
maybe he won’t get impeached
i thank God that ted kennedy didn’t retire early or the bubbas might have moved to massachusetts
i’d hate to admit to being from a state with mrs. bubba as my senator
I bet you thought I was gone for the night. Didn’t you, litle Lisa?
What’s wrong. No tips, today? LOL
“What’s wrong. No tips, today?”
well … you could try flossing …
that is …
if you have anything left to floss
you vapid little toady
“Little bitty Lisa whispers in my ear,
I–I–I,
I Hate you, Lisa Dear!”
Ah, ha, ha, ha!
You two simply CANNOT resist each other!
As for me, I voted for Perot. I told myself I was registering a “protest.” Lots of good that did.
“Perot positions and rhetoric was right of center”
I guess so. All I recall at this moment was:
tough on spending
resistant to free trade
pro-choice
Jake:
I only pick at her for two reasons. She’s an easy target, and she’s an easy target.
hey don’t ruin the mood …
that is the nicest thing tthlss tm has ever said to me
and one of the few honest ones
152 was about tthlss tm’s hate for me
it’s actually nice to be hated by an idiot … it means your doing something right
“Besides, an incumbent President got an anemic 38%. What he got, was his ass fired.”
Regardless of whether Perot helped Clinton, the above statement is true in my opinion.
Winning is winning. Who cares how many people are on the ballot. Same has to be said to all the D Nader-haters from 2000.
Did you get your supper, Lisa?
I told the Eskimo to give fish to the whole sled team…………
Now, that’s FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!
Jake:
Bush lost by 6 million votes. Gore finished ahead by over half a million. Just a wee bit of a difference, there.
you … funny?
to the average glen campbell roadie maybe … but your not exactly pinteresque are you?
your = you are
Personally I believe that the inclusion of Jesse ventura pulled more votes away from Al Franken than Norm Coleman. Perhaps the order of questions asked had something to do with it? Maybe the language used by the different polls? (this is assuming that Ventura wasn’t on the last poll and I’m not sure if it fully explains why Franken is down that far in individual match up polls.
Ignore previous post, I lost my ability to read momentarily.
Bush I lost reelection fight
Gore lost election fight and never has gotten over it.
Looks like a big difference from where I sit.
No one ever contested a presidential election in court like Gore before or since. The epitome of a sore loser.